The insider movement would have one keep a foot in both worlds. One is corrupt and in it all are condemned. The other is salvation. God accepts no partial acceptance of His whole Gift.
One can not continue to believe in the cruel ,Allah of the Qur’an and claim the salivation in Christ Jesus of the Bible.
They are contradictions.
Muslim scholars forcefully teach that there is no difference between Islam and Christianity, that the same miracles of Jesus, Isa, are believed, the virgin birth etc. But in all that, the divinity of Christ is denied.
The title of “Christ” is stripped from Jesus.
The atonement in His blood is washed away with the tide of good works and these good work ONLY offered to look good to me. And in Islam this is the same as looking good to Allah.

Muslims adhere to Allah’s law in fear and only when it is mandated and enforced.
Christians lovingly obey God’s commands and seek His forgiveness and welcome His correction, and become more deeply dependent on Him for all things. For those who know they have all things in Christ, all life, all righteousness, this is appropriate. Apart from Him, we can do nothing.
But in Islam and many many other false religions which claim God at the heart of their false beliefs, there is the strength and motivation of personal pride and a desire to please men rather than God.
Doing good.
Looking good.
Appearing to BE good.
This is what matters.
Not Allah… except in respect that he will punish them.
For the Christian Christ suffered all punishment and we are free to receive life because of Him.
In Islam there is NO forgiveness UNLESS the Muslim has been good enough to forgive. Who can please this god enough?
No one.
In Christianity it is Jesus in whom God, the Father, is well pleased. And it is HIS righteousness imputed to us by grace , by blood, by the law fully satisfied by Him on our behalf.

One can not stand in both worlds, serving two masters. He MUST love one and hate the other.

He will eventually be revealed to either be false to Islam or false to Christ. As an “insider” the wrong choice is likely, as one redeemed by Christ, his salvation will be come unmistakable and i9n an Islamic controlled and ruled nation, his life may be forfeit.

There is real danger in Islamic communities anywhere because Islam see no law but itself as valid.
The breaking of any nation’s laws is acceptable when accomplishing the overarching of Islam in that nation. Honor killings are justified in Islam no matter what the nation’s law says. If one is arrested for breaking the law of the nation against murder, it is expected that the Muslim is standing in favor with Allah (would that were in any way possible) and will be forgiven this particular act as it was an act of salvation being visited on the family member of friend who has rejected Islam in some way.

The two are so diametrically opposed that one can not remain in Islam if one is a Christian.
But one can straddle the fence and never fully cross over to true and saving faith in Christ Jesus alone for all salvation and life. The question is, is this allowed by God? No.
He will not share our love, devotion, and worship with another god.
Is Allah another god?
no… he is Satan himself, the author of all lies, and the cry of the Muslim is the affirmation of Satan’s own word “i will be greater than God” Allah Akbar… Allah is greater.

No one an serve two master.
He MUST love one.
He MUST hate the other.
He can not love both.
He can not BE under both.

Blessings
Salaam

I also looked at your Statement of Faith. I must say, I tend to agree with Georges. A statement is one thing, but action is completely another. One may say they believe one thing, but their actions betray their hearts.

Your website seems to have put up a statement of faith to dodge hard questions, but the rest of the site and your actions show that your statement of faith is simply a statement and has not rooted itself in your heart.

Why on earth would you put Muslim testimonies on a website, if you’re trying to convince people to reach out to Muslims for Christ? Why not have testimonies about Muslims who came to Christ??? I find this one of the craziest and unproductive things I’ve seen recently. I’d strongly suggest changing that immediately. Perhaps it’s because you’ve never be part of and seen a conversion?

Your dirty word “extraction” is humorous. I find anthropologists using this term. Something you’d see on a National Geographic channel commentary. As Georges stated, and frankly the Bible is abundantly clear, GOD EXTRACTS. That’s God’s whole purpose. We cannot be saved if we are not extracted from the sinful nature of this world.

God did not make us to stay as we are, and part of that is giving up everything, family, money, home, nationality, etc… Now, don’t mistake this for leaving it, waving bye and never going back. God then, empowers those who gave up everything, to return and glorify Him as an example of His New creations, Aliens to this world, testimonies to those who used to be family and kin. But there is always a time of leaving, turning, changing, restoration, and then as a new creation, Holy Spirit filled, going out and sharing the gospel of transformation.

If you call extraction evil, then you call Jesus the devil.

Now of course our goal should not be to extract for the purposes of making them Spanish, or American. But telling people that we are not called to extract them to the new life God desires for them, which will make them leave the world they knew, is unbiblical.

One of the more comical statements you make is, “We do not, of course, approve of any form of syncretism.” Then the very next sentence is, “If we desire to have an effective ministry to Muslims, we must, in a sense, become as a Muslim to the Muslim world.” Come on, becoming a Muslim is syncretism, unless you really leave Christianity and the tenants of your Statement of Faith to ‘become Muslim’.

We think that it is unfortunate that you consider us to be in the same category with JWs, heretics and false teachers. I am saddened that you think that our doctrinal statement is deficient. Several teachers and graduates of well known conservative evangelical seminaries checked it and approved it. We appreciate you and your ministry and we pray that God use all of us for His honor and glory. We will never seek to convince others that they should not support you financially because of your views. As far as we know, you are a true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and we wish you the best.

Thank you for your time.

O Lord, how shall I respond? First my friend how sincere are you in wanting to know? I had a Jehova’s witness come to my door last week. What is the likelihood, that by inviting them in and opening the word of God I can convince them that they promote wrong doctrine? I have tried it many times and my answer has been ZERO. So I told them to move on and shut the door.

Brother whoever you are, I do not want to do that to you and shut the door on you. You asked and I will answer. But how much can I say in a blog? May God reveal to you the truth. Would you please ask him sincerely? Let go of your western education (i know this is hard) and open your mind to the possibility that your presuppositions, and your conclusions are absolutely wrong.

First of all the looks of your website… why? Why in the world does it look like a Muslim website? I think I know the answer, you are trying to go inside. But your use of art has the exact opposite effect. Muslims would never put a photo of a Church to reach Christians. It would be dishonest. Do you want Muslims to be more honest than you? Symbols in Eastern cultures represent the beliefs of the person. One tribe in Africa refused to accept the shipment of dried milk in huge NIDO cans. Why? Because the cans had a picture of a baby. They were abhorred that Americans are sending them products made from human flesh. The baby on the picture represented the content not the target. You are using the symbols of the target. This is misleading to Muslims and in fact promote Islamic interests.
Secondly, most of your website is about Islam, videos etc. You think that you are educating Christians about Islam while in fact you are giving Muslims of all these sects a platform. How will you feel if Muslims would broadcast sermons of pastors on their websites. I assure you they would not unless they are trying to show some bad teaching or some confession of an immoral pastor. Sect leaders are very grateful to you for promoting their services. A warning: Do you not think that these have a magic power on viewers? One missionary to Egypt in the early 1980s when I lived there went to a Sufi service to study it and report on it. She was so moved that she converted away from Christ to Sufi Islam. She is a professor at a reputable university in the US promoting that sect.
Thirdly, you do have some good things like the way of salvation, never mind that it is a very westernized encapsulated message that Muslim would not be able to identify with. This is totally incomprehensible to a Muslim without much more foundational information. Your statement of faith is standard evangelical although it does not contain all the elements. So in conclusion you have a very shallow understanding of Islamic culture, like most contextualists an insiders. You are seeing Islam through Christian eyes rather than through the eyes of Jesus. Overall you have mixed messages which verge on syncretism.
Your quotes of Gingrist and Zwemer inside to validate your approach are unfair. I know Gilgrist well and know Zwemer’s approach quite well. Neither of them would do what you have done. Words have various meanings. Muslim to Muslims to these two great men of God does not mean becoming insiders. Quoting a few verses from the Quran is not being an insider.
Finally Jesus was the greatest extractionist. He extracted his disciples from Galilee and brought them to Judea. He called people to break away with father mother and fields etc for the sake of following him. He told a man to leave his dead father to those who are dead to bury him in order to follow him. He asked all his followers to deny themselves completely, total abandonment. Paul did the same, all things he gained from his being a Jew to be rubbish and refuse.

There is a better way, God is using it already. Preach the simple truth about Jesus from the Bible. Leave Islam and the Quran for Muslims to quote as they please. Use the word of God that is greatest weapon to demolish Satan’s stronghold on Muslims. You will see as I do constantly massive numbers of Muslims ready to leave Islam and come to the light of Christ which shines ever so brightly in the Christ centered communities namely churches. Is this enough. I have a feeling you will argue with every point. May the Holy Spirit reveal to you the inefficacy of such games and strategies. The simpler the gospel the greater the impact. “…because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction.” (I Thessalonians 1:5) “When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.”
(I Corinthians 2:1) “For Christ (sent me) to preach the gospel — not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” (I Corinthians 1:17)

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In no way do we desire to be unbiblical nor heretics. It would be very helpful if you could check out our website and clearly explain in what specific ways we are unbiblical and heretics. Thank you very much for any insights that you can give us.

Salaam,
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No one should be shamed for calling heresy heresy. Who is going to stand out and contend for the faith as delivered to us by the prophets and apostles of God? Jesus warned the “Jews who believed in him” saying: If you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples.” To these same people he said that they were neither children of Abraham nor children of God. The shocking words he used to accuse the holiest Pharisees no one today would dare use: “…You belong to your father, the devil…” JOhn 8:31-44.
Does anyone these days dare use these words to describe Islam, and other religions? Does anyone dare use words Jesus used against the most righteous Jews: ” woe to you Pharisees and teachers of the law, you hypocrites…you snakes, you brood of vipers!” Matthew 23:29-33.

Brothers and sisters those of you who know me personally may have noticed that I am very gentle and easy on those who are confused and deceived. But I an relentless on those who are confusing them and deceiving them.

The kingdom is not being served by the Insider Movement. On the contrary Insiders have brought confusion and division in the church. Gladly they are not succeeding among the nationals. Their success is among the western church. I pray that the church would finally wake up to nip this movement in the bud. It is already happening as I know of various large funding sources who have stopped supporting such destructive heresy.

Paul was clear that the there is another gospel preached. This should be rejected and accursed. Galatians 6:6-9.

Brothers and sisters, shall we continue just being nice to each other when the church of Jesus Christ is facing the greatest challenge to its own existence by people from the inside of the church becoming outsiders to it and insiders to Islam? Have you recently heard of attempts to promote a concept that goes beyond Christianity?
Check out this article: http://blog.sojo.net/2010/08/10/can-muslims-follow-the-biblical-christ-and-still-be-muslim/

Here is a quote that should make your hair stand: “I’m wondering if Christians can find a place in their theology to make room for Muhammad as a pre-messianic figure, pointing people to faith in Jesus the Messiah (a term the Quran affirms, by the way), maybe not as authoritative as an Old Testament prophet, but perhaps on par with the status of local prophets in the New Testament?”
I read somewhere and I could not find it now the suggestion that we need to go beyond Christianity. Someone called that Christislam.

Friends, I am not being nasty, I am warning us that we are allowing water to go under us and that one day this will become a flood we cannot handle. Let us shut it at its source before it destroys the church.
And don’t tell me I am afraid. Nothing frightens me. You can tell me that I am being biblically obedient to God’s call to contend for the faith. Jude 3 and to confront false doctrine 1 Timothy 1:3. Finally read this from the pen of Paul: But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves. (II Peter 2:1)

I am not consumed by this fight. But I certainly stay alert as Jesus warned us “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.” (Matthew 7:15)

I wish I did not have to say these things.

As a quick note, Paul did discuss the unknown god, even a verse from greek poetry, but he did call the greeks ignorant, and then preached a clear and complete gospel where the result was some thought it was teaching a foreign god (not a greek one, which isn’t insider), some sneered, some wanted to know more. Paul’s goal wasn’t to make the gospel acceptable to them, but rather to show their error, and to lead them to truth.

One wonders if our brethren who are OK with C5 contextualisation and the Camel Method would also be OK with preaching Jesus thru the Book of Mormon and allowing the just-saved former-Mormon to just stay in his stake and continue to submit to the legalistic demands of the bishop, get baptised for the dead, be obligated to give his tithe (and more) to the LDS stake, and preach LDS theology to visitors.

I don’t think people generally are saying that utilizing a couple verses in the Koran to provoke discussion. I believe the Camel Method goes far beyond that.

A lot of people are blinded by their own books, by their own teachings and they refuse to listen to other teachings. I know both Christians and Muslims who do this. In order to get them to look up and see what’s around them you have to shake their foundation in their own book. Muslims have done this by trying to point out that the bible refers to Muhammed a few times, even though the verses are taken out of context, they still attempted it.

I think this camel method, from how I know it, does just that. It shows them using the Quran that Jesus is special, a special prophet, not like the rest of them. If that shakes a person’s foundation enough to look up and start studying “why?” I think it’s good. Then when they look up you offer them the real Jesus.