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  1. Pierre Rashad Houssney

    @Shawn, are you aware of Greeson correcting or apologizing for the “Ruhullah” tract?

    Although it is a separate work than his Camel Method book or training manual, it was promoted on the Camel Method site as a resource to be used in ministry.

    If Greeson has not retracted/corrected/apologized for the Ruhullah tract, which is clearly deceptive and presents a gospel message that is at best defective, how can his other materials be neatly exempted from association with it?

    Greeson is one person who wrote the Camel Method for a Christian audience, and “Ruhullah” for a Muslim audience. If they are not in harmony with one another, then he either needs to stand with one or the other. Otherwise he is deceiving both audiences by giving them conflicting messages.

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    Hello Shawn:
    Thank you for providing the link to your paper. I read through it in one sitting to get an overall impression and then examined the details.
    Globally I think you have presented the same perspective as Greeson and others have done, namely that former missions to Muslims was awful, a new solution is needed, God is doing a new thing, and voila, we are on to it.
    The very argument is full of holes, however. I would encourage you to more closely examine each of those points:
    a. On what basis were former missions awful? If one applies North American rules of superficial success which we have used since the time of Charles Finney, then yes, you may be right. But in terms of faithful, prayer-filled endeavor, I would challenge you to look again.
    b. A new solution is needed. Again perspective is very important here. Finney said the same thing. His attrition rate among his so called numerous converts was as high as 90% after 6 months. So much for glowing stats. Speaking of stats, Greeson is very enamoured with them. Many new studies, eg. the movie Half-Devil, Half Child out soon demonstrate that the IMB was totally duped in Bangladesh. I have a study which shows the same in Indonesia. Actually what is not needed is a new solution, but people who will boldly apply the crucified message in crucified ways–as always.
    c. God is doing a new thing. This is so old. Any aberation can be justified by this mantra. Please do not use it. He has clearly revealed his methods in His Word. Speaking of the word, please look at the Saint Francis Magazine for an article on the Areopagus, and then make pronouncements about what Paul was doing via contextualization. He had much less rose colored glasses for other religions than Greeson–and I would venture—that you have.
    d. We are on to it. Hello. The hubris is deafening.

    I have much more to say via detailed comments, but might I suggest that you begin with a viewing of Half-Devil Half Child, and then do as much reading as you can on a Biblical–not sociologial, nor pragmatic view of other religions.

    Blessings
    Shalom.

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    @Roger, I’ve revised my paper based on your comments. I was not aware that the training manual was published before the book… thank you! :)

    @Pierre, I did not include a detailed evaluation of the Ruhullah Tract because of Greeson’s remarks about that the tract was a separate project not to be confused with the Camel Method. Quoting from this podcast, I write: “Nowhere in the Camel Method, whether in the training or in the book, is there a mention of pakka Muslims or true Muslims” (p. 24). I found this to be true. Therefore, in evaluating the Camel Method I thought it to be fair to limit my scope to just the book itself. I try to make it clear that my conclusion that I do not find anything unbiblical in the method is based on the book itself, and not the Ruhullah Tract.

    In my conclusion I state that I believe the Ruhullah Tract on the author’s website greatly contributes to much of the confusion. Please see page 25-27 for details.

  4. Pierre Rashad Houssney

    Shawn – as part of your research did you evaluate the “Ruhullah” tract by Camel Method?

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    Sorry I can’t comment much on Shawn’s research paper as I don’t have an up to date copy of the Camel. However, I can say that his statement on p. 8- “In 2007, he published this methodology in a book entitled, The Camel: How Muslims Are Coming to Faith in Christ! , and the Camel Method was officially born.” is itself out of date.
    The Camel Training Manual came out in 2004 and argument about it has continued since. However, Greeson has revised it and changed the original book in considerable ways.

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    I just completed a research paper on the Camel Method for Veritas Theological Seminary. My conclusion is that the Camel Method itself is not unbiblical but a valuable tool for reaching Muslims. Thank you to Biblical Missiology for providing this podcast! You can find the complete research paper here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/110628830/Camel-Method-Helpful-or-Heresy

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    all of the stories of so called converted Muslims are false in Camel Method. This method never able to convert any one in Bangladesh or anywhere else. He is telling that he is doing under world ministry is very very false just to get your money. I know them very much and who are working with them, even their mission field where all are Muslims and there worker called them Muslims there. Kevin can meet with me anytime anywhere to prove himself. I am Isaac Baroi from Bangladesh.We should stop him and those who are like him. they are just robbing Church. be careful of this wolf who act like a lamb.

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    I have heard of the camel method and I would love to have it.I am a new convert to chretianity from islam.How can I have the audio of these questions/answers with Kevin Greeson and how can I get the book itself.Thank you so much and God bless you!

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    Currently our servers limit file sizes to about 5mb.

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    Thanks for this. It would be great to have all the audio in one file and/or as an itunes podcast.

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